<Date: June 19, 2009>

<Time: 22:40:00>

<Tran: 061904cb.260>

<Type: Show>

<Head: Interview With Michael Baden, Linda Baden; Best of the Rest>

<Sect: News; Domestic>

<Byline: Greta Van Susteren>

<Guest: Michael Baden, Linda Baden>

<Spec: Crime; Death>

VAN SUSTEREN: Anyone who watches On the Record at 10:00 p.m. know forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden and most likely remembers his wife Linda Kenny Baden, a lawyer working right now on Casey's Anthony's defense team.The busy couple also just co-wrote their second novel, Skeleton Justice.

Bullets ago, they went On the Record about the new book and today's big news, the release of little Caylee Anthony's autopsy report.


VAN SUSTEREN: Linda and Dr. Baden, it's nice to see both of you.



VAN SUSTEREN: So this is fun, a novel. Number two novel?

LINDA BADEN: Number tow. And were married after two of them, which is a most amazing feat.

VAN SUSTEREN: You know, it's interesting about the book, it seems like -- I know it's a novel, but it seem a little bit like I am hearing about the two of you in the book. It seems like it is a knockoff of real life, a little bit.

LINDA BADEN: Well, except that the protagonist there is a size two about six feet tall. I think it is what we would like to be. How about you, honey?

BADEN: Yes, but it is a female attorney who is rather smart, aggressive, and shops well.

VAN SUSTEREN: Shops well?

BADEN: Yes, a shopaholic. She is amazing.

And a medical examiner, a forensic pathologist. And between them, in the first book, they sort of meet, and they start getting together. And then this is a continuation of their forensic and legal abilities to understand what case is developing before them.

VAN SUSTEREN: The book is intriguing, because this is a novel, and I do not want to give away and I want the viewers to read it, but I am sort curious how you write it. Do you past paperback and forth between the two of you, do you sit over coffee and think about it? What are the mechanics of this?

LINDA BADEN: For us, you have to remember we met over an autopsy. So there is a certain little meshing the goes along.

But Michael comes up with the plot, usually. I then right the first draft, give it to him. He then he fills in all the fragments, fill in forensics here.

It comes back to me, and then we go back and forth like this. And sometimes, you know, we do a little research, like my fingernail is in his neck. But I say that lovingly, because it is a process, and you do get possessive over what you do with it.

VAN SUSTEREN: But you are forensics expert in your own right. I mean, you practice law, and that is why think of you as sort of your area of the law is forensics. So how much do you tell Dr. Baden, and how much does he tell you?

LINDA BADEN: In the book, he does most of the forensics. I come up with the ideas for the forensics and stable this work, will that work. But he then goes to the third level of the forensics, which is what you would need an export for or if you have a trial. I can do the first level, but he -- I can't go as far down as he can.

VAN SUSTEREN: This is fun for your right, though, wasn't it?

BADEN: Yes, it's fun, but it took -- we have been married for a while now, and I didn't realized how possessive Linda was of words. No, possessive of words, where if I went to change some words that she has put on paper, she will fight like crazy for her own words.

LINDA BADEN: It's a legal thing.

BADEN: It's amazing. It really is a --

VAN SUSTEREN: That is a nice way to put it, possessive. I am now so sure my husband would, if I was telling him what to do, that I have such a nice, possessive way of doing things.

I think my husband would tend to say I am glossing.

BADEN: Your husband is a lawyer, too. So we are both married to lawyers.

VAN SUSTEREN: That's right.


VAN SUSTEREN: All right, big news today. I have to switch gears Caylee Anthony's autopsy report is out. So you are here in this so I have to ask you,


VAN SUSTEREN: What do you think, I mean, the fact that it is out now?

LINDA BADEN: We didn't fight for the autopsy report to be sealed. We are concerned about it affecting the jury pool, obviously, but we didn't buy Ford be sealed because we think we have an innocent client, and all of this should be flushed out in court.

But, you know, it is still emotional, because when you read it, as the judge said, it is so terrible, as the judge said, that this is somebody's daughter, granddaughter, it's a child. When you read any autopsy report, you have to feel for the person, obviously.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is it interesting for you to read it? I mean, I know that you have this Chinese wall between the two of you.

BADEN: We just got it today, and we really have not been talking about it.

LINDA BADEN: You're just getting it today.

BADEN: On the first page, cause of death undetermined. It is interesting how after all of these months, and with the death penalty on the line, that the cause of death is undetermined. So that is kind of unusual in homicide cases.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is interesting to me is that we came here to talk about Skeleton Justice, your brand new novel, and it's very exciting. And as exciting as I'm sure it was for you, you want to see the autopsy report that we already had. It's like you are --still, fundamentally, you're interested in the science.

BADEN: Yes, and to see --

VAN SUSTEREN: That's what you want to see. You want to see right away.

BADEN: And the toxicology report came back here. It said that there are no drugs and no poisons present, which is interesting, because we were all concerned about chloroform being in the trunk of the car. And so if they don't find chloroform, it would tend to rule out chloroform poisoning, which is an issues, but which was not concluded by the medical examiner anyway.

VAN SUSTEREN: And can you all predicted a trial date and location?

LINDA BADEN: I do not know about the location. I think the judge is concerned about the jury pool. Trial date probably not until June next year.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is she like, Casey Anthony? What is like to work with her? Do you like her?

LINDA BADEN: I like her a lot. I don't like all my clients, but I do like her a lot. She is a young girl, and so maybe you feel very protective of her, because I could be her mother.

VAN SUSTEREN: I have been a defense lawyer in your chair, but from my perspective, she has a lot of explaining to do with the child missing with that whole out getting a tattoo and out partying.


LINDA BADEN: Amanda Knox in Italy, which we are regaling the Italian press for doing that. So we'll see.

VAN SUSTEREN: And, indeed, we will see.

But In the meantime, Skeleton Justice, brand new book. Get it for Father's Day and the Fourth of July, and every day.


LINDA BADEN: Thank you, Greta, for having us.

VAN SUSTEREN: Thank you both very much.

BADEN: Thank you very much, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: And the book is a fun read, and I look forward to all of the stuff we do together.

BADEN: Thank you, Greta.

LINDA BADEN: Thank you.


VAN SUSTEREN: Up next, The Best of the Rest.

If you ever wondered why the government is out of cash, well, we have a hit for you. It involves your tax dollars and condoms. We are not kidding. This is so nuts. We aren't kidding. It is true.

Plus, the story of the world's oldest man who just turned 113 years old. You will hear how whiskey and, quote, wild, wild women factor into his life.


VAN SUSTEREN: You have seen our top stories, but here is The Best of the Rest.

I you have ever wondering why our government is broke, consider this. The federal government is spending $423,500 dollars for a study to find out what men do not like to wear condoms during sex. It's a two year study that will include a question and answer phase and a lab study on men's physical reactions to condoms.

Some government watchdog groups say the half million dollar project is a waste. Do you think? As always, we report, you decide.

OK, who is the big dope? Is it the person who discovered that President Obama's nominee for chief of protocol Patricia Marshall had a family mix up and did not file tax returns in 2005 and 2006?

Yes, that is a dope. Why a dope? Because it turns out that in 2005 and 2006 Marshall and her husband overpaid their taxes by $37,000. So now, at a time when we have a huge deficit and a national debt, we have to pay her family what the family is now owed. We were better off before the discovery.

Incidentally, Marshall says the family mix up led to the overpayment of $37,000.

Finally, he was born on June 6, 1896. And now 113 year old Henry Allingham is the world's oldest man. According to the Guinness Book of World Records, the British World War I veteran took the title after the previous record holder died in his sleep in Japan.

The 113 year old has a great, great, great grandchild, and is one of only two surviving World War I veterans in England.

Asked how he lived so long, he says the trick is to look after yourself and always know your limitations. On the other hand, he also reportedly gave some credit for his age to cigarettes, whiskey, and wild, wild women. We report, you decide.

And there you have it, The Best of the Rest.

But still ahead, your last call.

Finally, the big surprise. Now, our staff tells me there is something special in store for me up next. I don't know what it is, so I am learned it at the same time as you are. I know that Sean Hannity and Shepard Smith are a big part of the surprise.

And they just told me it has to do with my pitching skills. I sure hope I think this is funny after I watch it.


VAN SUSTEREN: 11:00 is almost here. It is time, last call.

All hour we have been telling you about a big surprise we have plants, or, I should say, the On the Record staff has planned. I am seeing this now for the first time right along with you, and I'm told it's something I should pay very close attention to.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was there last time. It didn't go so well. So we are going to give you some pointers this time around so you don't embarrass Fox.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In her Cardinals, number one jersey. I do not think that went all that well.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't know what happened last time. I didn't see it, but the producers told me that you rolled it. All I have as an apple. I do not have a baseball in my office.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to keep it in the seams.

VAN SUSTEREN: That would Shepard Smith. Shepard Smith, how could you do that -- that was Shepard Smith.

SMITH: So Greta, I do not know if you are a leftie or a rightie, but my guess is you are a rightie, so you should probably throw the ball with your right hand. And maybe throw it really hard so that this time maybe you get it to the plate.

We are pulling for you, Greta. Go Mets.

COLMES: I couldn't do it, so I admire that you have the guts to get out there and do it.

And just to give you some positive input, the second time is a charm. This time I think it is going to work.

VAN SUSTEREN: He is taping the bad one. He is purposefully not taping the good ones.

HOUSLEY: So, Greta, when you throw out the first pitch, the idea is not to bounce it. You need to hold the ball across the seams. We talked about this yesterday.

VAN SUSTEREN: Adam Housley told me how to hold the ball. If it does not work tomorrow, Adam Housley is a rotten teacher.

HANNITY: When I was young, I was a pitcher in baseball, and I would either strike out a lot of people, or, occasionally, the ball would go over the backstop.

Here is my advice, and it comes directly from Rudy Giuliani, who is the biggest Yankee fan in the entire world, when you throw the ball, throw it high.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Greta, I'm arriving early at the field tomorrow to make sure that this time they do not distract you like they did in St. Louis to sabotage you.

VAN SUSTEREN: Strike three.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I am glad it is you and not me. Just be relaxed. Just know that you probably do not have a second career in baseball.

BADEN: You have to take a page out of Michelle Obama's workout. That should increase the biceps.


VAN SUSTEREN: I have my list. I haven't seen that until know, and out of that whole group of all my colleagues, I only like Alan Colmes. He was the only one who said something nice out of that whole group. So I hate all of them.

That was put together by my soon-to-be ex staff here at On the Record. They will all be looking for jobs, so if any of you have any extra jobs for anyone, they will be looking for jobs as of 11:00.

As for that little tape they did, they neglected to put the tape on of the first day I threw the pitch out.

But, anyway, tomorrow is a big day, a real big day, and we hope they move the home plate a lot closer to the pitching mound. I am going to the top of the mountain, and it is going all the way home.

That is your last call. So I will see you Monday night.


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