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Gov't Says It Cannot Explain Runaway Prius

By ELLIOT SPAGAT - Associated Press Writers - Associated Press
Monday, March 15, 2010

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Gov't Says It Cannot Explain Runaway Prius

The federal government said it cannot explain a reported incident of sudden, high-speed acceleration in a Toyota Prius on a San Diego, Calif., freeway last week. Maybe it has something to do with all the faulty electronics that forced the recalls, but that's just a guess.

The federal government said Monday it cannot explain a reported incident of sudden, high-speed acceleration in a Toyota Prius on a San Diego, Calif., freeway last week.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said in a statement that it continues to investigate but "we may never know exactly what happened with this car."

The agency said its engineers are reviewing data from the Prius owned by James Sikes to try to understand what happened with his hybrid. But so far, NHTSA says it has not been able to find anything to explain the incident that Sikes reported.

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Sikes called 911 last Monday to report losing control of his Prius as the hybrid reached speeds of 94 mph. A highway patrol officer helped bring the vehicle to a safe stop.

Inspectors in California tried during a two-hour test drive to duplicate the acceleration, but were unable to do so.

John Gomez, an attorney for Sikes said the failure to repeat the incident is insignificant and not surprising.

"They have never been able to replicate an incident of sudden acceleration. Mr. Sikes never had a problem in the three years he owned this vehicle," he said Sunday.

But Kurt Bardella, a spokesman for Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said the failure to duplicate the stuck accelerator, along with a vehicle design to prevent such occurrences, raises questions about the driver's story.

"We're not saying Mr. Sikes is wrong or that he lied, we're saying that questions have arisen in the investigation," Bardella said.

Toyota Motor Corp. planned to announce preliminary findings of its investigation at a news conference Monday in San Diego.

NHTSA is looking into claims from more than 60 Toyota owners that their vehicles continue to accelerate unexpectedly despite having their vehicles repaired.

Technicians with the NHTSA and Toyota could not duplicate what Sikes said he experienced March 8 on a mountainous but lightly traveled stretch of Interstate 8 east of San Diego, according to a congressional staffer's memo prepared for the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

"Every time the technician placed the gas pedal to the floor and the brake pedal to the floor the engine shut off and the car immediately started to slow down," the memo read.

According to the memo, a Toyota official who was at the two-day inspection last week in suburban San Diego explained that an electric motor would "completely seize" if a system to shut off the gas when the brake is pressed fails, and there was no evidence to support that happened.

"In this case, knowing that we are able to push the car around the shop, it does not appear to be feasibly possible, both electronically and mechanically that his gas pedal was stuck to the floor and he was slamming on the brake at the same time," according to the memo.

Toyota has recalled millions of cars because of floor mats that can snag gas pedals or accelerators that can sometimes stick. Sikes' car was covered by the floor mat recall but not the one for sticky accelerators. He later told reporters that he tried to pull on the gas pedal during his harrowing ride, but it didn't "move at all."

The Prius is powered by two electric motor-generators and a small gasoline engine, all connected by transmission gears. A computer, which Toyota calls the "hybrid control computer" determines what combination of motors is needed and which would be most efficient.

Craig Hoff, a professor of mechanical engineering at Kettering University in Flint, Mich., said that for the Prius to accelerate out of control, at least two systems would have to fail simultaneously. They are the sensor signal that tracks the brake and gas pedal positions when the driver presses on them and the hybrid control computers.

"The chance of them both going wrong, plus the fact that the signal is bad, it just seems very, very, very remote," Hoff said. "Could it happen? Statistically, yes. But it just doesn't seem very likely."

Several events usually combine to cause problems with cars, and it's difficult to reproduce them, Hoff said.

"It's going to make it really hard to find, because you've got to line up the multiple effects," he said.

The congressional memo said both the front and rear brakes were worn and damaged by heat, consistent with Sikes saying that he stood on the brake pedal with both feet and was unable to stop the car. But if the fail-safe system worked properly, the brakes wouldn't have been damaged because power would have been cut to the wheels.

Gomez said the best evidence that his client was frantically slamming the brakes is that a California Highway Patrol officer who was giving Sikes instructions over a loudspeaker smelled burning brakes and saw the lights on.

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Spagat reported from San Diego. AP Auto Writer Tom Krisher contributed to this report from Detroit.

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7 Comments

  • If a year after a plane crash, and 7 years after the invasion of Iraq the US government cannot explain the absence of WMD's in Iraq, it is not realistic to expect that same government to be able to determine much less publicly reveal the cause of a car's runaway speed control system. And in the case of the Prius the government only has the information that Toyota has decided to release, much as the American people only have the information the Bush and Obama administrations have chosen to release regarding 9-11. The only thing odd is that the author of this article assumes that Toyota provided all the data to the US government, that the feds were competent to assess the data, that the assessment could be done on a million lines of code in a matter of days, and that the feds would then provide a true and complete reporting of the results to the American public - now that would be a first.

  • With firmware bugs historically the user fix has been to do a hard reset by killing power to the system and having the coded routines start again from the beginning. Not that different from someone playing a complex piece of music who stumbles and finds it easiest to just restart the piece from the beginning. But with the Prius there is no manual kill switch, only an electronic one whose signal is first processed by the computer - shades of HAL in the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey, the computer that does not want to be shut down. The runaway acceleration is a not uncommon problem with various models of cruise control systems which are far simpler designs than the Prius. With the Prius you can shift it into neutral but the lever is spring loaded and has to be held in the neutral position with one hand the entire time so the driver would need to do emergency maneuvering with only one hand on the steering wheel. It could be worse with the Prius having a operating system from Microsoft though the blue screen of death would certainly be an appropriate moniker.

  • Contrary to all the commenters here I believe that Toyota has a fundamental firmware bug in its Prius engine control software. As anyone who tried to debug complex hw/sw systems know some of these bugs are very difficult to find because they present themselves only under the confluence of a particular set of conditions. If you have doubts listen to Woz's interview on Youtube. He has Prius and has experienced sudden unexplained accelerations many times. He certainly is as smart as any of us and does not look for payout from Toyota. This is not a conspiracy, Toyota has a problem, and the faster they takes it seriously and assign the right engineering resources (as opposed to media resources) to fix it the lesser will be the damage.

  • If it wasn't a deliberate attempt to cash in on the hysteria, it was definitely a case of PEBSWAS. (Problem Exists Between Steering Wheel And Seat) This is a variation of the IT community's diagnosis of PEBCAK. ( . . . Chair and Keyboard)

  • There are no faulty electronics involved in this hoax. Mr. Sikes is trying to get Toyota to give him a new car. Toyota is probably going to dump the contents of the on-board recorder and show there was no electrical fault. Sikes was simply stomping on the accelerator and partially applying the brakes to raise the temperature. The CHP asked Sikes to put the car in neutral, and he wouldn't do it, saying later he was afraid of the car flipping! The man has ID-10-T disease. End of line, Mr. Sikes.

  • Does anyone remember the famous Audi unintended acceleration issue? It was determined to be pedal error. There is no way that the Prius drivetrain can compete with brakes that can stop a car in roughly 100 feet. This incident most likely is some form of pedal error and stupidity.

  • this incident may be a hoax: jalopnik(dotcom)/5491101/

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